Violating Titus 2:3-5

In my previous post “Who Are Women Allowed to Teach?”, I pointed out that Titus 2:3-5 is very specific as to what kind of women are commanded to teach and what that teaching entails. In short, only older women are commanded to teach, they must only teach young women, and they must specifically teach those young women how to be good wives and mothers.

While most Christians are quite careful to focus on the requirements of a Christian man who wishes to be an elder (husband of one wife, etc.), they’re content to ignore what is required of women who wish to be teachers. In fact, they usually just pass over the topic altogether, even when the passage is brought up. You can see this play out when women are permitted to occupy various teaching positions regardless of their age or their audience.

For example, take a podcast like Sheologians.

We are twenty-something, with backgrounds in English and mansplaining.

Right off the bat we have a violation of Titus 2. Neither Summer Jaeger or Joy the Girl were “older women” when Sheologians was created. Granted, they turned 30 in 2019, but even now in 2021, they’re both turning 32. They aren’t exactly “aged” considering the lifespans of women in the Bible.

Both of us are members in good standing at Reformed Baptist churches. Joy can be found serving in multiple areas of ministry, and Summer leads a weekly women’s study in her home.

So put on your slippers and try not to be offended, cause hardly any subject is off-limits (except baptism–don’t ask us about baptism).

Yet another violation of Titus 2. Even if Summer and Joy were bother older women, there should be a great deal of subjects that are off-limits. The categories for what Titus 2 permits older women to teach is very specific- be a good wife and mom so you don’t revile the word of God. To expand that is to go beyond what was written.

It’s not as if these women are ignorant of Titus 2:3-5. In fact, when Summer wrote “What To Do When the Church Can’t Handle You“, she quoted Titus 2:3-5 from the NASB (the bolding is mine):

It is erroneous to claim that the church doesn’t know “what to do” with women that can teach. Scripture is very plain about what we should be doing with our gifts. Nowhere will you find a call for women to leave their children behind to encourage someone else’s wives or children elsewhere. YOUR family is your first duty. And women are instructed by the Apostle Paul to teach! Check it out:

Titus 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored.

Notice that there is no recognition of the specificity of Paul’s command to Titus. True, this article wasn’t meant to delve into that subject, so that’s understandable. However, what is also true is that this subject is frequently left unaddressed by the Sheologians even when raised in other contexts. For example, a commenter named Karen said this under the article “Girl, What’s Your Number? (The Enneagram Episode)“:

Karen on May 29, 2019 at 1:13 pm

(…) I am a very busy homeschool mom of 7 trying to keep up with the latest “trends” so I can engage with my older children. I have no time to do much research into things like this. I very much appreciate your leg work. In fact, you two were the ones who first introduced critical theory to me. Very helpful!! (…)I haven’t quite known how to engage the younger women I encounter. Let’s just say I have moved into the Titus 2 “older” woman. I’m praying for wisdom to lead.

Karen’s comment was VERY long, so I just quoted the relevant snippets. Summer replied:

Summer Jaeger on May 31, 2019 at 8:30 am

Thank you so much for your kind words! And that’s a prayer I think we can safely say that God loves to answer—give me wisdom!

Notice how Karen cites Titus 2, but neither she or Summer give any indication that there’s a conflict between Karen, as an older woman, learning from two younger women. Another commenter named Troy had this to say under the post “Red Letter Jesus“:

Troy dillard on February 23, 2017 at 5:44 pm

Summer white praise the lord your teaching women truth Titus 2:3,
3. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4. That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, keep on doing for the lord Jesus have a bless day

Yet another commenter named Jay replied with:

Jay R. Walker on April 12, 2017 at 6:50 am

Hmmm. I’m not sure I’d say that Summer quite qualifies as one of the aged women in Titus 2. In fact, the wisdom of mature women might help take off some of the biting sarcasm that makes me wince when I read some of these posts.

His comment is fairly lengthy, so I’ll end my citation there. Summer replied to Jay and said:

Summer White on April 14, 2017 at 12:27 pm

I don’t choose to outright dismiss the majority of egalitarians just because I don’t think their arguments aren’t great. Their arguments aren’t great, and they should be responded to…which is what this article does. I also never implied that they are the cream of the crop in terms of consistent argumentation.

You can see that when Summer chose to reply, she didn’t address the first thing Jay brought up- namely, that Summer doesn’t meet the qualification of being an “aged” woman. She decided to rebut the other things he said, but not that one. Obviously she wouldn’t dispute that she’s a young woman vs. an older woman, but that’s not the point. The text that one of her fans raised declares that the women who are to teach must be older. Another commenter pointed this out, but it was again left unaddressed.

Perhaps Summer & Joy have thoroughly tackled this particular issue in one of their podcasts. Looking at their archives, there’s over 250 episodes, so listening to each one is out of the question. I was able to search their summaries, but none of them even contain “titus” in any of them. I expect this is an objection they’ve simply decided not to address yet. Whether they do or not, they obviously don’t believe the Bible prohibits them from doing what they’re doing.

I have a question then, for Summer, Joy, or whomever would disagree with my interpretation of Titus 2:3-5: If you’re a Reformed Christian and you affirm the doctrine of Sola Scriptura (as do I), then you believe that the Scriptures are sufficient to equip us for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16). If it is a good work to allow young women to teach; And not only to teach, but to even teach older women, and to teach on any topic of their choosing, then can you please show me where the Bible equips you to teach that? I think that’s a perfectly fair question that should be answered. After 250 episodes, if this question has not been answered yet, I’d say it’s about time. They may even decide to do so in response to this article. We shall see.

4 thoughts on “Violating Titus 2:3-5

    1. princeasbel Post author

      I’m aware of both those things. Her being Dr. White’s daughter is why I waited so long to even mention her on this blog. Should I write more posts interacting with her views, I will be strive to be as kind and respectful towards her as I can- likely more so than anyone else if for no other reason than that I love and respect her father. He has been of enormous benefit to me in strengthening my faith and giving me the courage to defend it. I don’t relish the opportunity to clash with his daughter, but seeing as I’ve decided to do so, I plan to do so with care and restraint.

      As to her being divorced, the most I have learned is that she divorced after an entire year’s worth of counselling and oversight from Apologia Church, which I consider to be a solid Christian church. It’s sad that she is a divorced woman (though I believe she has married since then), but I presently believe she divorced on biblical grounds. The only thing I am worried about is that, depending on which report you read, she divorced her husband on grounds of “serial adultery/marital infidelity”. That worries me because those aren’t the same thing. The Bible does allow for divorce in the event of adultery, but Christians these days will take a man who struggles with looking at pornography, and think that counts as committing “marital infidelity”. That’s not what the Bible teaches, and if that’s what they meant, then I don’t think she had legitimate grounds for divorce. However, seeing as I don’t know that, I won’t assume the worst until I hear otherwise.

      Remember, this isn’t some white-trash man-hating feminazi we’re talking about. She is James White’s daughter. If there’s any sister-in-the-Lord who deserves the benefit of the doubt, it’s her.

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  1. Sharkly

    The Biblical grounds that Jesus gave for divorce in Matthew 19 was for a man to divorce his wife for sexual immorality. Wives belong to their husbands and are joined by God into one flesh with their husband and they were not allowed to divorce their husband for any cause, at the time Jesus gave that clarification to the Pharisees. However, husbands could legally be joined to more than one woman.(polygyny) Furthermore Jesus added, “and whoso marrieth her which is put away(divorced) doth commit adultery.”

    The apostle Paul a former lawyer of the sect of the Pharisees also clarified this:
    Romans 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

    I don’t know of Dr. James White, but even if he is more respectable than other men, although I endeavor to respect all men as images of God, I ain’t generally much of a respecter of persons. His daughter shall still be called an adulteress by me in accordance with God’s holy inerrant word. it doesn’t matter what her excuse is, God’s word clearly teaches that she is in an adulterous state. And 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 explains that the unrighteous, such as adulterers, shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So that hell-bound whore has far bigger problems than just her usurping the role of teacher amongst her congregation of Biblically illiterate comrades. She needs to fear God, repent, turn from her wickedness, and see if there may yet still be a measure of God’s grace available to her.


  2. bee123456

    The New Testament emphasizes that good works should be the focus for Christian women. This female emphasis on studying Theology and becoming a “sheologian” is a distraction from the action oriented focus of females doing good works. (Good works includes taking care of their homes, families, and elderly relatives.)

    Scripture references that I base this on include: Luke 8:1-3, I Timothy 2: 8-10, I Timothy 5:3-10



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