You Would Love Submission If You Properly Understood It!

Someday I’ll need to start a collection of when Christians say, “Wives, you would love submitting to your husband if you understood submission properly!” It’s a well-meaning sentiment, but it’s a lie, and one that leaves women confused as they struggle with the concept.

On one hand, Christian women do want to obey God. On the other hand, these same women still have a sinful nature that wants to disobey God. Just like with men, they have a battle going on in their minds where they have two natures waging war against each other. Knowing what the Bible commands us to do is key to discerning what actions constitute obedience and disobedience. We cannot determine what actions are Godly based upon our feelings. This is especially true for women given the fickle nature of their emotions.

What I’ve seen is that Christian women try to broach the topic of wifely submission by assuring their female audience that the reason they have an immediate negative reaction to the concept is because they simply don’t understand it. They follow this up with a complaint that our society has made submission a dirty word, but the true biblical definition is one you would be happy to embrace.

Take a video by Jackie Angel called What it Means to Submit to Your Husband:

In this video she makes a few faces she says she has made and has seen other women make when submission is preached on in church:

At 1:09 she says:

I’m going to share with you what it actually means because it’s so beautiful!

What follows is she reads Ephesians 5:21-32, and then at 2:22 says that submit means,

“to be under the mission”. So, wives, be under the mission of your husband. And then it says husbands, love your wife as Christ loved the church. Um, the mission of a husband is to lay his life down for his wife. To love her as Christ loved the church. How did Christ love the church? He laid his life down he sacrificed his life so that we might live. So, husbands, like- That’s the mission of a husband, is to lay his life down. It doesn’t say in there, ‘husbands, your mission is to treat your wife like an object, to treat her like property, to be a domineering man, to be prideful, to be- no. It’s saying to love her as Christ loved her, with tenderness, with beauty, with gentleness, to lay your life down, to sacrifice your pride.”

This is a standard method of sanitizing what the Bible says. Submit does not mean ‘to be under the mission’. It means to be obedient, and no one in a debate/dialogue setting could dispute that. But, having inserted that awkward definition, Jackie then says that the husband’s “mission” is to be super duper nice to his wife and never be egotistical, which also isn’t what the text says. Having done that, she says at 3:05,

And women, I mean, that’s the kind of mission I want to be- like, that’s the kind of mission I will be like, “Heck yes, I support that mission! I’m gonna be under that mission.”

If you watch that portion of the video, you should see how hard she has to act as if she’s positively thrilled with what she’s saying. Whereas her faces of disgust and revulsion were quite convincing, this is pathetically artificial. Even after mangling the meaning of submission, she still can’t do a convincing job of faking “delight” at her feminist-friendly interpretation.

Her poor acting is just icing on the cake, of course. The truth is that wifely submission is not a doctrine that women will ever be “thrilled” to embrace. The fact that Jackie still doesn’t like it even when she twists its meaning to suit her feminism only proves this point beyond all question.

That being said, her point is clear: If biblical submission is taught, it should make Christian women happy to embrace it. Thus, a basic thought has been planted in her viewers’ minds: “I’m supposed to like submission.” Thus the groundwork has been laid for marital catastrophe, since these women are now prepped to gauge the validity of the doctrine of wifely submission with their feelings. If those women aren’t thrilled to death about what their pastor is teaching about submission, then something must be incorrect with what he’s preaching.

The fact of the matter is that submission is not a doctrine women are ever going to love. What Jackie has done is admit that women hate it. Submitting to their husbands is something she and they loathe, and at our core, we all know what submission truly means. It means someone else is in charge of us, and we must do as he says, like it or not. But, since Jackie has been told she is a strong woman (she says this multiple times in the video, and with indignation), she despises the prospect of her husband being in authority over her.

Jackie may have been saved this struggle had the Christians in her life simply explained what submission really means and acknowledged her ugly-face for what it was. It’s not due to a misunderstanding of submission, but a proper understanding of submission. Teaching what the Bible says requires violating women’s phony notions of self-esteem, hence they will never “like” it. But, a truly born-again Christian woman can still grow to accept it. Slaves were expected to respect and obey their evil masters in 1 Peter 2:18-20. If a slave can be expected to do it, then so can women today.

10 thoughts on “You Would Love Submission If You Properly Understood It!

  1. MasterSanders

    I think that you are right in that there is this concerted effort to sanitize submission to make it more palatable to our feminist informed society. On the one hand, she and others like her are right in that submission is clearly a Biblical doctrine, and that “Bible-believing” women need to accept it.

    There are women who are far more blunt in their assessment, which in turn they are hated for it. Lori Alexander comes to mind. While I think she could be better on a few things, I appreciate her willingness to call out the bad behavior of women and her willingness to tell them what they do not want to hear. (Her case is especially tragic, given the vitriol she inspires among “Christian” women)

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    1. princeasbel Post author

      She definitely smoked out a lot of supposed non-feminist Christian ladies with that post about debt-free virgins with no tattoos.

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    1. Red Pill Apostle

      Don’t you dare mock or shame Gregoire or her daughter. They need to keep it up because that site is a treasure trove of learning how feminists twist the Bible and peddle it to women. Some of their falsehoods are subtle. Some of them Helen Keller could see. If you can stomach your way through an entire article, the comments are often pure gold for how to subvert marriage. There is a reason Dalrock highlighted her stuff a few times.

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      1. princeasbel Post author

        I get your point, but their writings and video material openly attack the Bible’s instruction to wives. Fun as it is to re-read Dalrock’s articles exposing their feminism for what it is, I’d rather Sheila and her family all repent for what they’ve done and pull their materials from the web.

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  2. Red Pill Apostle

    This video is a good addition to the thousands of others why women are not not allowed to teach in church outside of narrowly defined terms in Titus 2.. She states she is a strong woman who did not like the feeling like she was dominant over men she dated. She then conflates a man’s mission with the command for a man to lay down his life for his family, so woman submits to man who is submitting his life to her. But she is not attracted to men she can be dominant over and yet she thinks the bible teaches men to submit their lives for women as their mission. Can she call him on this if he’s not laying down his life for her enough? This is just one way the church creates wimpy men and frigid wives. At no point does she mention obedience but she does mention the straw man slavery argument a few times.

    I have noticed that it is exceedingly rare for any woman to talk about biblical submission with any text other than Ephesians 5. They just can’t do it and also perpetuate the false teaching. Great catch on her not so subtle indicators for not fully liking her message. The dead giveaway that a woman does not truly appreciate the goodness of God’s teaching on wifely submission, is if they leave out the the obey part and avoid 1 Peter 3 like a contagious disease.

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    1. princeasbel Post author

      They definitely don’t exegete I Peter 3 by starting in chapter 2, that’s for sure. Then again, exegesis is the practice of reading a meaning out from the text. Jackie’s is a fine example of taking a meaning from outside the text and putting it in. That’s easier to do with Ephesians 5, but when you start with Peter’s words comparing wives to slaves in I Peter 2-3, I think most women like Jackie freeze in place, at least mentally. Then it’s like, “Yeah, I’ll just stick with Ephesians 5.”

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  3. Red Pill Apostle

    All Jackie would have to do in her video is a couple sentences along the lines of, “The bible is clear that we are to obey our husbands in humble submission. This includes all aspects of our lives as we are under his headship. This willful happy obedience to scripture is joyful worship to our Creator. It will be hard but you will ultimately be pleasing to both your husband and God.” She’d be viciously attached by team woman for this, but at least we would not be in false teaching territory.

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    1. princeasbel Post author

      This willful happy obedience to scripture is joyful worship to our Creator.

      I would nix this sentence altogether. This implies that if a wife is going to submit, she must be happy whilst doing so. This is false, as is the idea that this obedience will be “joyful”. We have to be careful not to give any indication that if a woman submits, she should expect to feel happy or cheerful about it. That’s just leaving the door wide open to wives thinking they shouldn’t submit if they don’t experience positive emotions before or during the act.

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      1. Red Pill Apostle

        Point taken. I certainly worded that poorly which put it in direct opposition to the point you made in the post. I was going for the concept Paul cites in Romans 5:3-5 about joy in suffering and perseverance. There are a handful of female writers who also note that, while it requires much work, learning to obey and please their husbands has returned happier husbands which in many cases sets the tone for the family. So while the initial stages of modifying behavior to be a submissive with is going to be effort, I don’t discount that there are benefits for that work either temporally or eternally.

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